When he submitted his patent and formed his company, Hoffmann-La Roche was beginning to see the value in all of this and had the European patent for it. It was a form of technology transfer. A BHHS Georgia Properties agent will be in touch with you to schedule a showing or provide you with building information. But I guess I'm wondering if some of this work on applicationslike you said, Fergason just wanted to make a watch face. That's very, very rare. I really hadn't intended at first to get a PhD. The discoveries with magnetic resonance were recognized, but only by academic researchers within the field. It usually involves lectures and breakout sessions. He wanted it to be apart from the research campus, but for the research to be very basic. I wonder if you could say a little bit about the nature of the problem, that he didnt have a PhD. Phil Bos, for example, was in the chemical physics program, but now he's in physics. It was good PR for MIT. That moves LCI from this space where it had been in between physics and chemistry to its own space. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: How does the surface of the Boogie Board record the writing? I was able to get a lot of defense contracts. [audio cuts out] [However, that was just a small part of the overall program as at least half of the faculty in the physics department and many in the chemistry department became heavily involved in liquid crystal research involving theory and numerous different experiment techniques. Call today 770-334-8916 ask for Tanya. Everybody seemed happy with that, so we did it. The reason I thought this important was that back in the late 80s, I was on a panel to go to Japan that was funded by DARPA, and NSF, to learn what the Japanese were doing and how they got to where they were. Location! If you're going to do this, you're going to have to go through one of the agencies like DARPA." This is what inspired me when I got into patenting myself. Japan really took the bull by the horns and [, in the end, were the ones to successfully commercialize it.] Al didn't want to get involved in the lawsuit probably because his former student working with him had worked for Hoffmann-La Roche. Are there other benefits to the interactions between universities and spinoff companies? The company's success is, in a large part, due to him and it is fitting that he be CEO today.CRAWFORD: Around what time did you step back from full-time work at the company?DOANE: It happened gradually over the years. I think once the University got into it, they thought it was a nice way to go, too. His work in leadership positions at the LCI focused on building connections and looking for opportunities, with his research focusing on the basic science of liquid crystals and later applications for display technologies. Universities don't like to get too involved in this business. I'm not so sure that Glenn's attitude was really ever truly workable, except that it may have worked generally for universities back then. But that allowed us to keep going and keep our programs funded. to provide you with an unparalleled condo buying and selling experience. It's not an easy job. The very first conference Glenn formed, I pulled out the booklet for that to see who had attended, and there were a few people from industry. Newly updated with Stainless Steel Appliances, Flooring with Luxury Vinyl Planks and Tile, Stainless Steel Sink, New Lighting, Tile shower in the master. Nowadays, we have software that keeps track of publications, and you can get a score based on the quantity you have. There can be non-disclosure agreements with an industry in which confidential information is transferred. Then, I saw that maybe this was an opportunity for a university to get involved in display research. It was really a challenge. The two seemed isolated from each other. Is there a particular reason why they focused on that type of cell at that time?DOANE: I don't know their reasoning, but I can tell you why I'd choose it. [If the departments would appoint them to professorships, they were afraid that they wouldn't be allotted a position in their department they wanted to fill. Fergason got some money out of it, and Hoffmann-La Roche got the license. I wanted the physics department and Kent State University to have something they could hang their hats on. CRAWFORD: How did you find her?DOANE: I knew her because she was in the physics department, and I saw what a good administrator she was there. But I really had to spend most of my time obtaining funding for the Institute as a whole. As a result the company became focused on writing.CRAWFORD: Before the shift to the Boogie Board, you mentioned that the company was making signs and had some contracts in Israel and whatnot. You license a technology, and within a short while, sometimes within a year, the company you've licensed it to has already further developed technology and written patents around it, then they're back knocking on the door, negotiating for reduced payments. This is what got Kent off the ground. CRAWFORD: What was it that allowed you to switch between the two states?DOANE: It has to do with how you switch it. In engineering, you need to take some basic courses in chemistry, physics, and so on. Well, I talked to Shirley, and we didn't know that we could really afford to move down there. Bravo aux quipes pour ce nouveau projet. I thought, "Boy, what a neat experiment." They didn't want me to do this at all. I walked down the hall, looking in doors, seeing what this physics department looked like. But the program did not last long as better ways to detect cancer evolved. [End Part 1][Start Part 2]MATTHEW CRAWFORD: My name is Matthew Crawford. She had a master's degree from Boston University, and I think graduated magna cum laude, majoring in languages. I knew I needed somebody in optics. Close to schools (KSU), shopping, mall (Town Center at Cobb), & interstates. I'm stepping ahead a little bit, but after a few years when Glenn appointed me as associate director or whatever the title was, the first thing I did was go to the dean of arts and sciences and say, "I'd like to build a building on the research campus for liquid crystal research." At that time, I know MIT looked at it that way, so I tried to focus Kent State in that direction, too. I didnt know anything about tube sockets. CRAWFORD: Where might we see some of these signs today? 2 hours from Wichita. Geographic Information regarding City of Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin. Whether they saw that as an opportunity to get it from him, I'm not sure. And just after I got here, he had already invited Jim up for an interview. That was the main event that really told me where I wanted to go. India, Russia, Japan, all over the place. It was a different approach for a university to deal with. I thought it probably was the best thing to do because I didn't see anything going anywhere. They saw that it had opportunity, so they patented it in Europe. Well, I told him how to do that, to get two pieces of glass, some liquid crystal, and put it together. Kent State wasn't widely known for anything at that time. I think that's what I learned from it. When I first started to work on liquid crystals many scientists didnt think it was a different state of matter and of little interest. You can't have any dust particles around. It's been very helpful. Anyway, that's how I got into nuclear magnetic resonance.CRAWFORD: Did you have a sense of the state of the field? I didn't view it as a building necessarily with its own administrative structure, rather as a building to support research. This open floor plan and dual decks-front and back offer room for entertaining and family fun. Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin : Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin Localisation : Country France, Region Auvergne-Rhne-Alpes, Department Isre. That was my biggest trouble, finding investment.CRAWFORD: Was it difficult to find venture capitalists here? But they did not, just a small amount of royalties. I don't really know the reason. The liquid crystal institute as a center for the research began to lose its importance and value. But that didn't work out. Another contribution was creating new products. Request Tour Send an Email Highlights Here are some of the most popular amenities Pet Friendly Washer & Dryer In Unit Floor Plans My understanding of the institute at that time was that, he brought in Sardari Arora as a chemist, and a physical chemist Adriaan De Vries, who did X-ray work, [and a postdoc, Bill Bacon]. CRAWFORD: You talked a lot about your work building a program at Kent State. For example, there was a group (or perhaps groups) taking commercial high resolution flat panel displays apart and reconfiguring them to make them more rugged for aircraft and other applications. I dont know what he called his company, but I think he made good business out of that. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: What made it challenging?DOANE: Doing two different radio frequencies on a nucleus at the same time. CRAWFORD: Around this time there was a student, Nuno Vaz, who graduated from the LCI and went to General Motors.DOANE: He was one of my students. [One theme we've discussed is the relationship between academia and industry. [At Kent, we were the liquid crystal optics component of the center; however, there were other optical materials such as light emitting diodes at USC.] However, since then, I retired in '96, and around 2010 or so, they moved the faculty in Chemical Physics into the various departments, like physics and chemistry. The University had no program for licensing. Their backlighting technology was becoming cheaper and cheaper as was battery technology, and it was becoming harder to compete. I remember earlier, I wanted to make a radio. Instead of just funding Utah, they sent out requests for proposals. Its behind Papa Johns Pizza.CRAWFORD: On Lincoln Street?DOANE: Yeah. Very strong lady administratively who would take the bull by the horns. I like theory, but I like to get my hands dirty. Early 80s. The universities, back then [ particularly before Bayh-Dole ] didnt have ways to manage secrets or patents necessarily, but universities can these days which ends up being transferred in some way to industry. Typically, they have those meetings in March. We decided I should go, so I went. That's its attractiveness. But, eventually, we were able to come up with a plan that convinced them to grant a license and we formed KDI. I really appreciate you sharing your reflections.DOANE: Thank you very much. [Laugh] We wound up with a clear liquid mess on the laboratory bench. But he came in very early, after John West.] Jim seemed to be going off on his own. I thought I wanted to go into electrical engineering.CRAWFORD: Was it the problem-solving, working with your hands that attracted you to engineering?DOANE: I think so. And it can cause change for the better sometimes. Good morning, Dr. Doane. CRAWFORD: And this is the ALCOM Center. "I want to make clear that the Institute was not founded to do feasibility studies for industries. My experience with this is that universities typically don't want to get too involved in licensing and business relationships. Request More Information. I didn't know much about writing patents. The only thing it did was shut us down for a while. Not very long after I started this company, they removed them. I, with my students and postdocs even discovered some unique phase properties with magnetic resonance that could not be observed any other way; that sort of stuff. Both states are extremely stable so that the writing stays there until someone wants to erase it. I could have a display film that was flexible, the liquid crystal wouldn't flow out of it, it was trapped inside of it. If you had something black behind it to create a background, you could switch on and off a bright red image, for example, on black background. It was the first patent I ever wrote. I wanted to learn Morse code, and I needed to make a little oscillator that would make tones and got a [telegraph] key, so I could [practice and] learn Morse code. I just did what I thought ought to be done. Please switch to a supported browser or download one of our Mobile Apps. That turned out to be a really good thing to do. The College of Wooster is down the road, and we've had a lot of students from there. Thank you! I need a softball player." Prices and availability are subject to change without notice. I may be wrong, but I don't recall seeing anyone from RCA interacting very well with the academic world. Do you want to talk with a Over in chemistry, there was Vernon Neff, who was doing infrared dichroic studies, [Bill Bacon on liquid crystal phases. Although, spinoff companies can provide license income to the university as well. Further electrical engineers at Akron or Case did not have that expertise or interest. For more information, please see our CRAWFORD: This would've been part of the reason why a low-power display system, like the twist cell, would've been of interest.DOANE: Yeah, I think their idea back then was really the wristwatch. I just wanted to tie the faculty together. Kent State was in the awkward position of, in one instance, wanting to claim Fergasons work as patentable under the University, but in another instance, maybe wanting to distance themselves.DOANE: Yeah, they wanted to distance themselves from it. The others pretty much went by themselves.CRAWFORD: How did this collaboration come about?DOANE: Here's how I recall it started. Maybe someday well do it.CRAWFORD: What was the challenge that prevented it?DOANE: Size and weight. CRAWFORD: By secrets, youre talking about intellectual property?DOANE: [Yeah, primarily intellectual property but also research results. He was a nice guy [and a very capable researcher].CRAWFORD: You mentioned that at the time, Schadt and Helfrich were working on display cells and so forth, and that there were a number of different options for making displays. Was that part of the thinking? [Laugh] I have one bigger question for you. Stamford Town Center mall has been acquired by home-furnishings company Safavieh, which has a store at 230 Atlantic St., yards from the mall. I think it was my second year Id been here, probably around '67 or so. To do science, you have to fund it. Turns out, it was extremely important because later on, when we came to the ALCOM [Advanced Liquid Crystalline Optical Materials] Center, that was extremely valuable.CRAWFORD: Why was that?DOANE: At that time NSF started a new program for Science and Technology Centers, and it was a new direction for NSF. [Laugh] It was clear that it was really going to take off. I never really worried about COVID as a disease, I just followed along with what professionals thought we should do. Basically university research on liquid crystal materials and industrial research on liquid crystal displays were disconnected. It was really good for both chemistry and physics departments and their graduate programs because it funded graduate students and their dissertation research. An oral history interview with J. William Doane, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Emeritus Director of the Liquid Crystal Institute (LCI) at Kent State University, and Co-Founder and Senior Advisor at Kent Displays, Inc., in Kent, Ohio. In 2008, Simon Property Group pumped millions into a major interior renovation for Town Center at Cobb as a way to boost sales. That was the reason I came to Kent. But what a distraction that was, taking considerable time away from company development.That's the thing about patents: a patent doesn't help you much unless you protect it. [And I wanted to get Alfred Saupe, Adriaan De Vries , who was doing X-rays, Mary Neubert, a synthetic chemist and others at the Institute, into the programs at the research campus and more involved with the department faculty]. I hired John to help me with these dispersions, and he made great contributions. And he was very helpful and supportive of this sort of thing. 10: Town Center Mall survives foreclosure. CRAWFORD: Why do you say that?DOANE: Because usually, that's where the opportunity is. It only takes a tiny amount of power when you erase it. One of the things that happened at this time actually involves the Institute. CRAWFORD: But it also sounds like it was in line with your interests.DOANE: Oh, yes, it was very much in line with my interests. Nely F May 8, 2012. From 1991-1996, Doane also served as the first Director of the Center Advanced Liquid Crystalline Optical Materials (ALCOM), an NSF-funded Science and Technology Center that included collaborations with University of Akron and Case Western Reserve University. The other texture is transparent. From Akron University [we have hired students with expertise in polymers. I think the people doing display work just wanted to make displays whatever way they could but liquid crystal displays seemed to be winning out. I thought it should be patented. I was dismayed that Glenn and Fergason didn't really work together to take advantage of this for Kent State University. That's what I did. Up until then, I was doing basic research, studying liquid crystals at a molecular level, learning how they ordered themselves, how they fluctuate, how various molecular atomic groups fluctuate, and so on. As a university, we may have, at one time, been the largest contributor to talks and demonstrations at those Society conferences. But I would say that was kind of how I got started in it. Between the time I interviewed and when I came here, Glenn had already started putting together the Liquid Crystal Institute. [1] We could probably do it today on a blimp, but back in those days, we couldn't do that large of a display on plastic that would fit nicely on a blimp. [I mention this as later these two parallel developments came in conflict].CRAWFORD: Do you recall the student's name?DOANE: No, but I could dig it up. It really got very bad. I'd rather leave that to somebody else to decide. That really got us going. Good German name. I wonder if you have any additional observations or insights that you'd like to share. DOANE: Being retired, COVID had far less effect on me than others. We can pick up tomorrow. I didn't like the way this ended up.CRAWFORD: Just to play devil's advocate, would it be fair to say that this was a product of maybe the decision to have the LCI off-campus? Did those events shape the Institute in any significant way? He retired from Kent State University and the LCI in 1996. Joel Domino, was the company's first employee. That was what really got the company off the ground. [Laugh] But after that, I got assigned to an artillery battalion as a communications officer up in [Tacoma], Washington [near Seattle]. 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